Third most powerful politician in America living in a multi million house with high walls, high tech security with secret service protection...
And a MAGA dude in his underwear with a hammer just walks in...
As of today 1st November, the details already coming out are not matching up.
Excellent Q &A - thanks Patrick and TC
Yes, very appreciated.
I'm curious, does Denis ever tune in to say hello to you yet ?
I haven't asked Denis to visit.
Well, this one was . . . WOW!
"Q: “For now”? The HCPs are not going to extract long term advantage from the current
financial situations around the world?
C: No higher or greater long-term advantage, above what they already had; the reason
they were able to achieve what has come to pass now was the position already established. "
Well... If this is not a hell of good news.
One thing that my studies have found that would have characterized this time, is the concept of "peak". Peak Oil, peak gold, peak wathever.
It seems that we have reached a concurrent supeposition of limits reinforcing each other, that are expressing themselves in the inability to increase further (except for the fiat money supply, which is not bound by phisical laws) some given essential good and service.
It seems, also, that the "peak domination power" has also been reached.
This is good news, because this means that starting from here only decline in domination is in store for the hcp.
Surely they are acutely aware of this: an inescapable doom that for most part of them is worse than physical death.
"The HCPs are highly aware of what is now beginning to happen across Earth ̶ The Shift ̶ and they are concerned, even worried because they know they wield no power or influence over the
events already in place and to come. As a result, they seek greater control; wealth provides it, fear being the tool employed"
Another thing that I have difficulties to understand, is that the hcp are aware of much the same things that we participants of this site also have.
This implies that they are aware of the existence of the souls, the afterlife, so also of the life review that follows when one of them will have to leave the body.
How can they do what they are doing to uncountable others, knowing that each and every pain infliced will be reflected back on them, or otherwise (choosing no to have this review) be stuck where they are, blocking their own expansion?
Could it be that they are blinded to this terrible aspect?
Have a nice day
@Pierluigi, if you study addictive personality traits you will find that the answer to your last question is yes.
@Pierluigi: Could they be blinded? They could, but I am guessing they are not... TEC have explained repeatedly that the HCP are normal mortals same as we are. Power is addictive... even more so than cocaine, cigarettes, alcohol and the like. Ask any alcohol addict if he is aware of the damage that he is doing to himself, his body, his family, his life... They more often than not know instinctively that they are on the "wooden path" which is pure misery. Sure enough, the HCP must know about the consequences of their actions for their souls, but exerting power is an addiction too tempting to resist, even for the HCP...
Since they get their spiritual information from lower entities who give them enough information to gain power, but also distort the whole truth . . . I imagine they aren't expecting a life review.
I agree with that... Too tempting to resist...
A question to TC, regarding the Brazilien election, was it tampered or manipulated?
Cuz Bolsonaro was hated by the West/US or HCP's...
"Into Monday mid-morning Brazil's president Jair Bolsonaro still hasn't conceded defeat to his leftist rival Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva. The results were announced fairly quickly after polls closed Monday evening.
After 100% of votes were reported counted, Lula barely passed the the required 50% mark, coming it at 50.9% to Bolsonaro’s 49.10%. At 60.3 million votes to the incumbent's 58.2 million, this was a difference of just over 2 million votes.
"This country needs peace and unity," Lula said in a victory speech in Sao Paulo. He said the challenge set before the country is "immense" while vowing "democracy is back" - in reference to Bolsonaro's detractors often dubbing him a 'far right dictator'.
Bolsonaro has recently expressed concern over the potential for the country's voting machines to be manipulated or tampered with....
The Committee says “yes” by interests seeking greater advantages from Lula than were possible from Bolsonaro.
Brazilian election history...todays 14 million extra.
54.5 million for Roussef, 51 million for Neves - Total 105.5 million
57.8 million for Bolsonaro, 47 Million for Haddad - Total 104.8 million
58.2 million for Bolsonary, 60.3 Million for Lula - Total 118.5 million
A little smelly, isn’t it? Just like Biden vs Trump.
Two questions to TEC: Does this mean, not all of Ukraine will be conquered by Russia? As for the state of health of Joe Biden: Is he still in a position to carry out the orders of his handlers, or is the Joe Biden that we have seen over the past months not really Joe Biden?
Says The Committee: This depends on what “conquering” means. Territory not seized by Russia isn’t going to join neighboring states which weren’t Russia. This territory will become dependent on Russia almost completely. This will put all of Ukraine prior to the invasion under Russian influence if not as an integrated part of Russia. Effectively yes.
Biden will continue to follow instructions until out of office.
@Scott R: I believe Patrick and TEC are referring to the Facebook link you posted last week? I am not on Facebook and somehow cannot get it opened... Could you post a different link or maybe you could give us the name of the whistleblower, i.e. lady doctor so we could search the internet ourselves? Thanks!
Email me here: firstname.lastname@example.org.
Not every dose of the mRNA injection was intentionally contaminated, this was done selectively to test the effects, which have occurred as intended.
@Patrick / TEC: Selected how? By country, by age, by period? And how is the effect measured between recipients of contaminated and non-contaminated shots? Would that mean that the non-contaminated shots are not harmful, or just less harmful for the human immune system?
Sayeth The Committee: Selected randomly. The goal was and is to continue fear thus willingness to submit. It did not matter who would die, the goal is to continue elevated deaths thus fear of disease. This delivers authority thus power to officials issuing orders, commands & recommendations to curtail the spread of disease.
I'd like to know an approximate percentage of that's possible.
% of ??
Aww, yeah...percentage of how many were contaminated versus not?
Patrick many thanks for asking TC about Scottish independence.
We have the most wind and wave energy potential in Europe so it's no surprise that the deep state would be hostile to a split from England. Nonetheless we look across to Ireland, a country of similar size, population and culture to us. We say if Ireland can then Scotland can.
Ironically with upwards of 70% of us (not me!) wanting to re-join the EU post-independence, this is what may drive the Yes vote to success.
I say to hell with the HCPs and their skulduggery
As the European Union crumbles, that will dampen enthusiasm for Scotland to join, thus making independence from the United Kingdom less attractive. The fighting over energy thus winter heating, and economic troubles across Europe will not be appealing. Says The Committee.
Between the stuff I've seen and read over the past 2 years (not on that mainstream news bullshit) and comments on this post, my mind started churning while in the shower (deep shower thoughts, y'all) today.
So I felt compiled to type up some of it just to get my thoughts organized as well as solicit perspectives on here - both terrestrial and inspired by ethereal (The Committee).
The shots... the ones globally promoted by fear, coerced, forced, mandated, choose the word that applies best.... the ones that appear to be killing people. How can they and their potential effects be part of any one person's plan?
Succinctly, I can't wrap my head around how they would be incorporated into an individual's life plan, nor why. To be more specific, I'm thinking about the demographics of the non-elderly, especially younger adults who seem to be 'at the top of their game' in life. Healthy folks doing their things, living life, having their experiences, all the stuff that us souls came here to do - and then just dropping dead. Children too.
WTF? It's been said on here that we generally plan our exit timing, with potential points and options along the way of our life path if we want to change it up. It sure seems like an abundance of people are exiting at points in life where it was not common prior. I don't understand it.
Because I don't understand it, I'm imagining it to be like when the electricity goes out.
We're sitting on our couch, chilling, vibing, watching a movie, just being. Then... the power goes out. Everything shuts down. Darkness. We hop up and exclaim "what the fuck is up with that?"
Someone is chugging along in life, doing their thing, playing their sport, driving their car, any daily activity, and then they throw a clot (probably caused by the shot) and instantly die. Right there. Suddenly. I'm picturing their soul hopping up and exclaiming "What the fuck was that?!"
I can't imagine that moment being pre-planned for all of these healthy younger and middle-age people. Someone who has take care of their body, living their life, having their experiences, and yet planning to die instantly as a result of some fucked-up shot.
Can't wrap my head around it.
So I'm looking for insight.
Do you think that's the most common scenario? All these people are dropping dead as part of their life plan?
Or, even as souls, is this bullshit having an unplanned effect on everyone, which is why it feels so disturbing to some of us?
To learn lessons. That's it. That's the whole point for incarnating. To learn and evolve.
God created all of us so he can know himself. Your looking at it from the wrong perspective because your human. Look at it from the perspective of your soul. Kick the human out of the way.
And as far as people dying the way they are, that's ok too, they are all different deaths happening in different ways. Ergo, different experiences. Just rounds out the picture more...
Since our souls return Home during a portion of our sleep each night to confer with our guides and make any life plan changes deemed necessary, we have to assume these deaths were discussed with their guides. It's possible that many had a life plan with a Covid death and other souls decided "on the fly" to die that way after making the decision with their guides.
Look at the number of people who died in the Holocaust. There have always been times of mass deaths.
The reason it feels so disturbing is because the deaths happened because nefarious acts. But souls can and do choose life plans where they die from nefarious acts
Missing Word: because OF nefarious acts
Of course we do...I'm being redunded because the Committee has already explained this, just a bit better than me. Take a rape and strangulation. Not only can that be a life plan, to experience it but it can get a role reversal so the other person can experience that type of situation. Everything we all do is a life plan or becomes part of it if that person wishes that. We are all playing roles in a "movie" that ain't real.
You said that better than I did, Lorri. How are you feeling?
Feeling better every day except for the digestive transition everyone goes through with gallbladder removal. Looking forward to getting to the other side of that.
Any comments from the committee on voter fraud coming this Tuesday? Are the same tactics afoot as what happened in 2020? Is the Republican Party doing anything differently to monitor behavior? Hearing rumblings about multiple days to complete counting which seems to me to be the best chance to start finding fake votes in close elections.
As far as I remember, the Committee said that attempts would be made (both parts!) but this time the surveillance will be stricter and vanify the desired effect.
Also the Committe said multiple times recently that Dems will lose control on both chambers this round, and Biden will be pressed to relinquish his seat in a short amount of time.
Have a nice day
Full blood moon lunar eclipse taking place on Election Day, November 8th. (Red Wave?)
That'd be perfect, wouldn't it?
@Patrick, any earthquake on this occasion?
Also I wonder what the HCPs are up to.
Does anyone else think this year has flown by incredibly fast 🤔🤔
Yes... time is apparently running fast. Or maybe it is our age. Somehow time seems to pass slower when we are young but faster as we grow old
Every day I notice. Especially recently.
From The Committee in the post pdf:
“ Production of gasoline, diesel fuel, naphtha, kerosene and many distilled derivatives of crude oil can and will be shifted, the variations which result will be price increases for products in less abundant supply.”
I heard an opinion from a man on YT that the production of oil and supply of it is probably being shifted to create jet fuel used to supply the military fighting Russia in Ukraine and or elsewhere where the US is engaged.
Seems to me TC’s comment aligns with that opinion or at least doesn’t conflict with It. Makes sense also.
Ukrainian air force was mostly wiped out 10 months ago. Ukraine has a few aircraft still flying, mostly by using parts or kits supplied by countries like Poland and other East European NATO members. Since NATO (including American) air force isn't directly involved in fighting Russia, there is no need for much jet fuel to fight Russia. And US Air Force isn't involved in much action lately, anywhere, except for the occasional sorties in Syria bombing terrorist/Persian targets.
Therefore, don't worry about the US Air Force hogging petroleum (or jet fuel) in order to fight Russia. Actually, US government released 180 million barrels of oil from its strategic petroleum reserve in 2022 to augment world oil supply.
Perhaps conspiracy theorist should try something else more plausible?
@Stephen so Ukrainian air force was destroyed prior to the invasion. Interesting since we're not quite 9 months from when it started. They do say you learn something new everyday.
Sorry for the typo. Russia invaded Ukraine 8 months ago, not 10.
@Stephen don't be sorry Stephen were all fallible at times.
More on the Pelosi attack . . . except they deleted it.
Back in March of 2021, Patrick responded to a comment about the 2020 election in the USA and made a distinction between civilian Commander-In-Chief and military Commander-In-Chief and gave us a bullet-point/arrow map-like response (see below) which prompted me to expand on his bullet-points by labeling who held that position, who appointed them and were they replaced or did they still serve.
Commander in Chief
Dept Defense —Lloyd Austin appointed by BIDEN January 22, 2021
Dept Navy —Acting Secretary - Thomas Harper -appointed by BIDEN January 20, 2021
Chief of Naval Operations- Michael M Gilday- appointed by TRUMP, August 2019
Commandant US Marines. - David H Berger-appointed by TRUMP July 2019
Note****The appointments under The Military Commander In Chief are still those appointed by President Trump.
So now with that in mind, watch this 8:54 minute video by Tenner Talk (who has a YT channel, his own website and a channel on Rumble etc.) posted three days ago called, “Derek Johnson Talks Biden Funeral and Fake Inauguration”. Not only does this video give a quick bunch of proofs about the claims made but the idea aligns with what Patrick said about the civilian President and Military Commander in Chief and the video backs up what Q posted about. This is the largest military sting operation in the history of world. And this involves the whole world.
Here’s the link to the video.
God Bless us All. Where we go one we go all. Have faith in humanity. Trust the Marines. Trust the National Guard. Trust President Trump. Trust The Plan.
Recently at a rally President Trump referred to Ron DeSantis as Ron DeSanctimonious. That’s simple gematria for:
The Best Is Yet Is Come
The United States of America
You’ll Be Very Happy
Fasten Your Seatbelt.
If anyone else is on telegram you know lots more information is coming out. One such bit of information is that it looks like Nancy Pelosi may have been taken into custody by federal agents, one on either side of her as they entered a black van— and not the ride to be by her husband’s side as the reporter’s question made it seem.
@ Stephen perhaps the oil shifting is Biden looking to fight the USA’s military under Trump and We The People. Also all the conspiracy theory weren’t theories 🖖
Ha-ha--interesting video, Linda, as well as the simple gematria equivalents for Ron DeSanctimonious (what a hoot when Trump pulled that one out at the Miami rally--LOL!)
***TRUMP will officially announce his Presidential run on Tuesday, November 15th at his Mar-a-lago home.***
Thank you, Patrick, for all of your fantastic posts and predictions by TC--all is coming together beautifully!
And right before President Trump took the stage tonight at his Save America rally, Q posted:
Why do some elections take more than a day to count?
Can cheating be done after the polls are closed?
Who controls the pollbooks?
Who controls the databases?
Who controls the elections?
Why are extra ballots printed?
If someone doesn't vote, can bad actors hijack their vote?
Why did the National Guard activate cybersecurity teams?
Who gave the order to 'activate' the cybersecurity teams?
To protect the elections?
To claim the midterms are 'safe'?
Safe from what?
Setting the stage?
White hats have secured many systems, but problems still remain.
You have all the tools you need.
There’s actually two new Q posts. The other was yesterday:
What groups are financing Ukraine?
Why are they financing Ukraine?
Why was Hunter in Ukraine?
What did 'Pop' threaten to withold from Ukraine?
A billion dollars?
What did 'Pop' receive in return?
Why is Hunter not in jail?
How do you control a 'leader'?
How do you control a country?
Are you ready to take back control?
Your vote matters.
You have all the tools you need.
It seems that if the Dems will lose the senate, it will be by a very narrow margin, if at all.
The so called "red wave" failed to manifest, it seems.
Have a nice day
“C: Democrats will lose control of both chambers.”
Indeed, what happened to the supposed " Red Wave" tsunami 🤔🤔🤔
Indeed, the Committee never said that the Dems would be floored by a "red wave", but simply that they would lose control of both chambers.
I was referring to the "red wave" as a matter of general discussion, without involving the Committe into the topic.
My doubt is how effective the control would be aving a narrow margin of seats, expecially in the senate.
Have a nice day
@ Pierluigi, I was not quoting tc about a Republican wave , I was having a dig at the media who were implying it was going to go that way.
If I'm off about this, let me know, but I don't think the Committee has said anything about a red wave. They said both houses would turn to the repugs. It may be a narrow margin but...it's disappointing. I was expecting a tsunami. But that's not on the Committee.
Can't believe this many dems are still asleep... Geez.
Tucker Carlson says Arizona is saying it may take a month to figure out the Senate and Governors races. Kari lake will probably take it.
Scott, no a don't recall tc mentioning a red wave, as i said , I was having a dig @ the media who were using the term.
I am also perplexed and disappointed. Can the TC shed some light why there was no red wave? Was it because of cheating or because some other factor?
What will it take for people to actually to wake up and vote against the globalists?
MSM already in full spin mode with articles blaming Trump and saying he is finished. Some more questions for TC.
Will this result mean Donald Trump wont be elected president in 2024 or does the previous prediction still stand?
Who will be his running mate? (Apologize if this has been answered, I cant seem to remember)
If Donald Trump is reelected, what will be his biggest accomplishments in his second term?
Will the election fraud of 2020 ever be revealed to the public? If so when?
Will Bolsonaro produce evidence of election fraud and will the Brazilian election be overturned?
When will the globalists crimes against children (and other atrocities) be revealed to the public?
Will we, the readers of this website, ever see a cure to cancer and HIV in our lifetime?
Will Q ever be accepted by the general public or will it remain, in the eyes of the public, a fringe right-wing conspiracy theory?
As always I am extremely grateful to Patrick and TC.
Actually, there was a significant red wave that occurred. Of course, the Democrats, fully expecting the red wave, could not allow election night glory to go to the Republicans. They once again controlled the voting system in key states to require S--L--O--W counting of the ballots.
Unfortunately, in New York state where I live, the big cities ruled and elected Kathy "Detention Camp" Hochul for governor, and her partner in crime, Leticia James, for Attorney General. She is gunning to bring down D.J. Trump with investigations into his business dealings. :-(
I have been told that in Southern NYC district courts the government prosecutors get guilty convictions in well over 90 percent of the cases.
Q follower, you may want to number those questions and copy paste them into the questions section from the drop down menu.
Renie, I could agree with you about the red wave. When you compare it to the last election. But not your comment about Trump being brought down by anyone. He hasn't done anything illigal to be brought down for...
@Chase--I'm not sure why you disagree with what I said...Attorney General James has launched a major lawsuit against Trump. Whether the allegations are false or true is immaterial. It gives the MSM a big story on a daily basis, and puts Trump on the defensive by having to answer to lawyers, court appearances, and the threat of jail time. We are talking about a Communist-type regime trying to take over and DJT is (still) their biggest threat.
Renie, I disagree with Trump ever being brought down by anyone. I understand your point about the media jumping all over it but it's a broken record, they can make a fuss but that's it. The majority are on his side and want him for president.
I came across this video and thought you all might find it interesting about how the media, HCPs and what is happening in current events:
As for the elections, it feels as though the media is trying to manipulate us to believe that there are fewer red states/republican wins then there really are to coerce us to concede to the democrats and thereby eliminating the threat of Trump or losing control. If you don't buy into the nonsense it won't work and people will demand enough accountability to turn the tables. I don't buy into all the nonsense that races are too close to call and that they (GOP) don't have enough to win a majority. Just look at Kari Lake in AZ, she is not putting up with the BS and will raise hell if they try to make it look like she lost a close race and should just be the bigger person and concede.
@Tigger, thx for the video, confirming what TC's been saying about HCP's, it's awesome that more ppl figure it out
what's really "truth" going on in our reality..
Interesting that the media - both mainstream and alternative - have very little to say on the election this time around. It's like everyone suddenly got the memo to not talk about it.
If the "Deep State" stole the 2020 elections for Bidet,
it's NOT too farfetched to say that they stole it yesterday
in key zones for Bidet's fellow Dems.
The fraud is so bad even the Dems are shocked they won. Heck, they know the internal numbers. 75% of the country said nation headed in wrong direction. Biden most unpopular ever.
And these the people who want to tell the world, that Venezuela election was illegal,
Belarus election is not legal, the four region and Crimea election not legal, only the Usa is legal!
As the world turns. (From armstrongeconomics.com)
Posted Nov 10, 2022 by Martin Armstrong
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COMMENT from Thailand: In Thailand, for the whole 2020, there is only 61 Covid deaths. Few months after mass vaccination there is 20000 “Covid” deaths. This year, I believed that there is an explosion of COVID illnesses and deaths, just like Canada. And the authority is keeping a tight lip about it. Look like 2022 disease cycle is driven by the COVID Varients.
REPLY: All of the deaths I personally know of are ONLY from those who were vaccinated. The NY Supreme Court ordered back pay to those who were fired for refusing the vaccines stating that the vaccine neither prevented anyone from getting COVID nor spreading it. It was a total PR routine and the politicians merely got their pockets filled thanks to bribes.
COMMENT From Brazil: So, about the Brazilian Elections.
The Brazilian military (DoD) were not allowed to access the source code by the Supreme Court.
The conclusion, the fraud is guaranteed, as the lack of transparency.
I wouldn’t want to be in Lula’s shoes. Now, everybody knows.There was a huge fraud against Bolsonaro, because nobody voted in Lula.
Unbelievable, the world will not recover from this, the thing is going into free fall. When the military cannot do its job, something is very rotten, they have no authority within their own country, so where does this external power or interference come from?
REPLY: Bolsonaro had to be removed from office the same as Trump, Putin, and Jinping. I have a video clip someone took at the Davos WEF meeting in 2019 where Bolsonaro said these people are insane. The EU organized a rigged election in Italy to get rid of Silvio Berlusconi. The EU rigged the Scottish separatist vote as well. The EU rules that Catalonia has no right to separate.
We do not live in a world where the right to vote is truly respected. Bolsonaro had to go for the WEF was out to remove him because he stood against their climate change agenda. There is nothing we can do about this. It will play out and blow up in everyone’s face.
Patrick, does the following feel reasonable to you in Houston?
One more item from armstrongeconomics,com
COMMENT: Marty, I love all that you do.
I want to challenge anyone to find a county in the USA that is more corrupt that Harris County Texas (Houston) regarding vote fraud, nothing to see here keep moving: Harris County Elections administrator can’t answer why polling locations ran out of paper
Harris County Elections Administrator Clifford Tatum said his office started receiving paper ballot shortage calls as early as 7:30 a.m. on Election Day. (21 republican locations and up to 100,000 votes) an Author: Jeremy Rogalski Published: 7:25 PM CST November 9, 2022
Nearly 127,000 Harris County drive-thru votes appear safe after federal judge rejects GOP-led Texas lawsuit The Republican plaintiffs in an appeal asked that drive-thru voting be halted on Election Day, but did not immediately ask again that ballots that have already been cast be tossed out. BY JOLIE MCCULLOUGH NOV. 2, 2020UPDATED: NOV. 3, 2020
Houston Scrambles After Blaze That Destroyed Voting Machines
Houston firefighters poured water on the smoldering shell of a warehouse that caught fire around 4 a.m. on Aug. 27. Credit…Brett Coomer/Houston Chronicle, Via Associated Press By James C. McKinley Jr. Sept. 10, 2010.
REPLY: This is my big concern. Reports are coming in from all over. This election will never be accepted. I have warned that this election will be so corrupt, it will probably go down in history with the most corrupt election during the Roman Republic where there were so many bribes, and interest rates soared during 53BC. When Caesar crossed the Rubicon in 49BC, the people cheered and it was the oligarchs who fled to Greece – all the Senators. Unfortunately, Cicero was one of the oligarchs and his FAKE NEWS wrongly influenced many including the Founding Fathers of the United States. Had they seen the other accounts, they may never have chosen a Republic without term limits and prohibited any change to anything major absent a 2/3rd vote.
See definition of charlatan: a person falsely claiming to have a special knowledge or skill; a fraud.
"a self-confessed con artist and charlatan"
This dude talks to himself.
I watched a very interesting 12 minute video this morning. As you listen to it, know that, yes a “De” before a surname means “of” but as prefix before a word “de” means “negative, remove, as in deactivate which means to stop from working. You can look up what Santis means yourself.
The Outer Light YT channel, video entitled, “Something Strange: Anthony Fauci, Ron DeSantis and a Diamond LLC”.
Check out the comment section of that video 👆 also. Here’s the link:
Coincidently, Tina Spaulding of Channeling Jesus and Ananda (YT channel) just posted a 7:38 minute video today, entitled, “The Most Important Decision of this Incarnation”.
I think both videos are related to the times we’re in now.
Looks like Senate remains in Dem control. Astonishing really given how bad the Biden presidency has been.
Any thoughts from TC? Why the sudden change of will in people?
You may find this interesting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72hLFvKxK1w&ab_channel=MagentaPixie
And this: https://www.ancientawakenings.org/?p=9215
I don't recall it ever taking this long to count votes for a midterm election.
If the voting is legit, I do think the abortion issue galvanized many voters to get to the polls and that would not have helped the GOP. One governor is already taking credit for that issue being the thing that just got her elected to governor of her state.
I am not a leftist man, but had I been a U.S. voter I could have easily given my vote to the dems, due to the abortion hardline adopted by the GOP states. It goes beyond the abortion issue, to taking away the free will of the citizens to act according to their consciences.
Yeah and I get that. I have been thinking that there are bound to be many Republicans who switched their vote because of that issue.
I know someone who is a hardcore Republican, and the minute Roe vs. Wade was overturned, he was mad as hell . . . not because he cares a lot about the issue, but because he knew it would hurt Republican candidates right at midterms.
I'm an Independent without a dog in the race. I hate them all equally. ;)
@conservative, I’m all for free will too but I don’t want government paying for abortions calling it women health. Very few, very few abortions are because of rape or the life-threatening health risks for the women. In those few cases let family or friends or donations to pay for it. It’s a nasty business for all involved. One day our society will value human life. We’re at the point where we are more willing to consider an AI robot as a citizen and even maybe a sentient being but will destroy an real life human embryo out of convenience or life style choices. Contraception exists but requires responsibility. It’s easy to prevent pregnancy. I don’t want any tax dollars going towards abortion. Free will is fine but not without personal responsibility.
I am one of those who are not considering an AI robot as a citizen or a sentient being. But I am considering all those women who are doomed to become single mothers and likely live in the poverty for the rest of their lives at the expense of taxpayers. To me it is not a question of convenience or lifestyle choices or who pays the bills. I have a different perspective of when a soul permanently enters into the newborn.
Conservative, doomed?? No one is doomed. We are ALL living life plans. It's the experiences we decided on before we were born that makes that decision...temporarily. We are ALL acting out roles and if we came to earth to experience being "doomed" or having it rough during our time on earth, well, more power to us. The value in that is exponential.
You want women who have been raped or have a life-threatening condition to only have access to an abortion IF their family or friends can cough up the money?
That assumes the woman even has friends or family. It assumes they have money and that no one is ever poor.
If they don't have the money, the raped woman must give birth to her rapist's child.
If they don't have the money, the woman with life-threatening conditions where timely medical intervention is of the essence, must DIE.
I sure hope I'm misinterpreting what you believe, because that is one of the most cruel ways of thinking I've ever heard in my life.
Unfortunately, there were some in the government proposing full-term abortions (abortion on demand up until the time of birth)--absolutely ghastly! Recoiling in disgust, some states were triggered into reinforcing abortion term limits, with one state prohibiting abortions entirely.
Of course, this hot button topic was trotted out in hopes of disrupting the election. Despite this dirty trick (amongst many others) the Red Wave was far more potent than we are being told.
By the way, the Constitution of the U.S. does NOT give women the "right" to have an abortion--in reality, the Supreme Court Roe vs Wade decision allowed that women had the right to PRIVACY when choosing to have an abortion.
I really wish people would read about abortion laws before trotting out this tired lie that anyone gets a full-term abortion.
States were not "triggered" into enforcing abortion limits. They ALL had abortion limits on the books, most banning it after 20-24 weeks, unless the life of the mother was in danger. NONE allowed full-term abortions on demand.
And in spite of the ability to have an abortion at 20-24 weeks, here are the official numbers from the CDC for the year 2019.
92.7% were performed at 13 weeks or less
6.2% were performed at 14 to 20 weeks
1.0% were performed at 21 weeks or more
"Early medical abortion" is defined as the use of medication to induce abortion at 9 weeks or less. 42.3% of all abortions were early medical abortions.
And considering that such a large number of women have medication abortions, here is what they are actually losing from their bodies (nothing that even looks like a baby).
Lorri--yes, there are existing state laws, but there were initiatives in several states to expand access to abortions. Unfortunately, it has gone beyond fear mongering. For instance, the abortion bill recently signed by Governor of New Jersey:
There are very FEW, almost to the point of being NO women who would abort a full-term pregnancy unless they are mentally ill.
And regardless, this does not change the fact that after Roe v. Wade was overturned, several states have now restricted abortion to such an early stage that it constitutes a total ban on abortion because hardly any women will even know they're pregnant so early.
That may not bother you, but it greatly bothers a lot of people.
Here's something that should bother you. None of the new extremely restrictive laws were written in consultation with obstetricians. Thus, they don't use medical terminology or define anything in a way that doctors can clearly understand.
As a result of this, pregnant women with WANTED pregnancies that develop serious complications are being denied life-saving terminations until they get to a stage they are in danger of developing sepsis.
A pregnancy in trouble can progress to life-endangering very rapidly, and no two doctors will end it at the same precise moment because the situation changes so fast.
Obstetricians are concerned that their timing will be called into question and they will be accused of resorting to termination too soon.
So they are sending women home who are having serious symptoms until they are admitted to the hospital much sicker than they were. They are literally risking sepsis, and some of these women will die or come close to dying.
All this was predicted by an obstetrician in Texas before their new six-week limit was enacted, and she has been proven correct.
And then look at Ohio. There was ten-year-old abuse victim having to be taken out of Ohio to get an abortion, and she won't be the last. A ten-year-old body is not able to avoid serious trauma from childbirth (vaginal fistulas). But the legislature of Ohio does not care, nor did they ask an obstetrician for their opinion. It's cruel.
@Lorri--Personally, I'm not against early term abortion as a medical procedure decided upon by a woman and her doctor. Period.
But the progressive agenda making it legal, on demand, to insert forceps into the skull of a fully-formed infant hanging halfway out of the birth canal makes me squirm. It's the same kind of yucky feeling I get when people are told they'll lose their job if they don't participate in the experimental mRna genetic modification procedure, or encouraging parents to give their young children puberty blockers because they were born the "wrong" sex. There are gullible people in abundance, Lorri. This is about a dark, unloving agenda that is being foisted upon humanity fast and hard.
That whole "partial birth abortion" is a fear mongering tactic also. BTW, that's not even a medical term.
There is no progressive push for full-term abortions.
The procedure you refer to is when a baby has developed with SEVERE abnormalities and will not live long after birth. For example, there is one condition where not only will the baby die after birth, but it will also suffer unrelenting pain for several days after birth until it dies. In other words, it's a mercy killing.
The procedure is thought to be much easier on the mother's body than other procedures, and that is the only reason it is ever done . . . and it's rare.
As far as abortion on demand, there are only about three states more or less that just never had a time limit. That does not mean any woman in those states is taking advantage of it and aborting a baby at nine months pregnant. No decent doctor would even agree to perform it.
The pro-choice position is not a position that advocates for full-term abortions except in EXTRAORDINARY and RARE circumstances like the example I gave above of a mercy killing. People who believe in pro-choice are not monsters.
@Lorri--you mentioned that many women are in danger of sepsis due to complications-are you referring to the larger than usual amount of miscarriage/stillbirth cases? This is what's been reported to VAERS...
No. I'm talking about the usual types of medical emergencies an obstetrician will have to treat.
Here's are some examples of when a pregnant woman with a wanted pregnancy needs to abort because of a life-threatening situation.
Anyone else think or consider when tc said the dems would lose both they meant that in a clean and safe from corruption election. Because sure the democrats are probably cheating but only because they don't want to lose there grip on power.
I agree, doomed is a too strong a world. But is there any question that single mothers have reduced opportunities in this world, not to mention the lack of equal opportunities for their children.
It is good to keep in mind that we are souls with bodies, not bodies with souls. You can not kill a soul, it is indestructible.
@conservative, referring to your two last sentences as rationale …why shouldn’t a single mother take the life or lives of her children at any age? What’s the difference if all souls are indestructible?
Linda, isn't this getting silly and childish by now? I stand behind my words. They come from many sources. Even TC has stated that "We (TC) are the same as you less bodies". Remember?
The time is approaching when the death will be understood for what it is. There is no death, other than physical death.
Yes, I do remember. I also know that acting out of fear or using fear of anything to decide is indeed a low way to make a choice. And I also know that fear just brings more fear.
When we decide that one life is worth more than another we are denying the divine in another and consequently also ourselves. We are here to re-member who and what we truly are. In doing so we reclaim the divine where it has been denied.
The abortion industry is a moneymaking operation and isn’t about a women’s choice. And when I read and saw what Q posted about Planned Parenthood and abortion it was very disturbing. It’s no coincidence that Planned Parenthood building design and colors match Epstein’s Temple.
Life is a gift, that’s why we can it the present 🎁 I also think that wanting life is inherently better than destroying life.
“ Life on Earth is not what happens to you, it is what YOU choose to do. How you approach and how you react.”. ~ The Committee,
Thanks, Conservative for the opportunity to clarify my thoughts and share them here. 👍🖖