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20/12/2021

A reader posted this news article from The Wall Street Journal on December 17, 2021 the first two paragraphs repeated here (a paid subscription unlocks the rest) then Q&A follow. The post title says Ukraine & Russia in the respective languages of each nation.
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Biden Administration Considers Sending Ukraine Military Equipment Once Bound for Afghanistan

Ukraine has sought helicopters and other military equipment to deter Russia, though White House hasn’t approved plan

WASHINGTON—The Biden administration is considering a plan to redirect helicopters and other military equipment once allocated for the now-defunct Afghan military to Ukraine to help quickly reinforce its defenses amid a build-up of Russian troops near its border, U.S. and Ukrainian officials said.
The equipment is being sought by Ukraine, which discussed it with Pentagon officials, who generally support providing more arms to Ukraine. The National Security Council has yet to approve the arms delivery while the administration seeks a diplomatic solution to get Moscow to back off its military pressure campaign, the U.S. officials said.

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Q1: Is US seeking war with Russia by White House Redirecting Military Equipment to Ukraine?
C: No. The USA is attempting to deter Russian attempts at dominance by making such efforts by Russia appear too costly in return for the benefits to be eventually gained by Russia. It is well known that Russia has sought permanent dominance over Ikraine, for economic advantage, benefit and regional dominance this would bring.

Q2: What's the purpose of this, to be at the Russian border?
C: As answered to your first question.

Q3: Will this lead to war and how long will this keep on going teasing and threatening Russia?
C: No. Ukraine cannot prevail in a war with Russia, Russia would destroy the benefit it seeks if it defeated Ukraine in armed conflict, the USA seeks to rebalance the costs and benefits to maintain Ukraine independent of Russia control or dominance. The USA is not threatening or teasing Russia, not vice versa.

Q4: Will the Ukrainian politicians come to their senses and let their people have some peace!?
C: The Ukrainian leaders know this and seek help from the USA, to achieve what we described in the answer to question 3.

29 Comments

pierluigi.dipietro@ingv.it

21/12/2021 02:55:00

Sorry, but I could not put somewhere an excerpt from the magazine you put on the previous post

"wolves standing on two legs, harassing the
families of witnesses" (page 16)

WTF, man!?!

Who, what, why?

And another question: why there are paranormal activities associated with "ufos"? Are them just regular extraterrestrial guys coming form other systems, or not? Why the scaring shit?

"ufo (really, orbs) entering the car and going through the driver body"

WTF!?!

Is this sound information, or is just a way to scare us?

Could you please, Patrick, or the Committee,
shed some light about this?

Have a nice day
Pierluigi

pierluigi

21/12/2021 05:13:24

Patrick

21/12/2021 07:08:42

• The wolves are human intimidators.
• The energy field surrounding many ET craft produce the "paranormal" effects. These could be cancelled BUT the ETs like the effects to be detected and perceived by humans. Orbs passing through a human are not ETs. This is what we, i.e. our souls resemble, when our vibrations are adjusted to match the human perception range of same.

Lorri

21/12/2021 15:07:55

Though I saw a UFO fly across the backyard on the Fourth of July a few years ago and hang suspended next to some trees for ages, I never reported it.

A couple of years later I found a small web site that talks about UFOs and a lady had posted a photo of the same UFO I saw. She saw it on the same night in a location just a few miles away.

I've thought about reporting it, but somehow felt disinclined.

21/12/2021 07:13:17

Even if you do so anonymously, please respond with your location, it's fun. 🏀

State / province / department / oblast / prefecture + nation. City name can be added.

21/12/2021 15:04:08

In the comments?

22/12/2021 08:15:02

Oui madamme, sí señora.

Ginger

23/12/2021 08:21:36

Northern California

seeingeyes

21/12/2021 10:01:27

Thans for responding to my questions!

Here is my thought about this debacle situation....

If Russia wanted to put military bases in southern Canada and northern Mexico, perhaps you'd understand Russian thought about NATO in the Ukraine.
More war-mongering by U.S. internal puppets.
Ukraine has nothing Russia wants or needs. Russia is currently the worlds largest exporter of wheat. Ukraine has leased out a lot of farmland including much to the Chinese.

This makes northwest Ukraine a most unappealing target for any invasion.
Southern Ukraine is more heavily populated by Russians, who are more sympathetic to being part of Russia, and this makes them a target for the northwest Ukrainian militias, so Russia feels obliged to defend the people of the Donbass.
And the more lethal weaponry that is given to Ukraine, the more concerned Russia gets.

Before few years one military scientist from Russia said very clear:

"We don't need to fight with USA to destroy it.
One bomb in the Atlantic ocean will cause tsunami that will destroy the East coast,
one bomb in the Yellowstone will cause the volcano to erupt and will cause devastated earthquake and tsunami that will destroy the West coast."

I think this explain very clear the picture. Russia have not aggressive intentions otherwise they could already made that plan.
And the US war loving president don't have an idea what will cause to the country if continue that game.

Mr. Biden, who is the aggressor: USA with more then 800 military bases worldwide or Russia with 2?
Russia started 7-8 military conflicts for the last 100 years. USA? 100+ so "The aggressor call catch the aggressor"

NATO expanding next to Russia is a OK.
Russia protecting its own borders is not a OK.
Crazy logic here.
FUCK JOE BIDEN! This is sweet, I don't have to worry about being censored for a couple of days.
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Pierluigi

22/12/2021 02:26:09

I prefer the "Let's go Brandon!" Meme ;)

22/12/2021 08:09:50

So do MILLIONS of folks in the USA.

22/12/2021 08:08:26

"...perhaps you'd understand Russian thought about NATO in the Ukraine."

Ukraine has the choice NOT to join NATO, neither are controlled by the USA. The benefits & effects are Ukraine's to consider, aren't they?

Canada and Mexico have military bases with capability to reach the USA, however the USA also has them, such as (California) Navy Base San Diego, Marine Corps Camp Pendelton, Navy Air Station Miramar, Marine Corps Base Twenty Nine Palms, Naval Air Weapons Base China Lake, Marine Corps Air Station Yuma Arizona, Air Force Bases Creech & Nellis in Nevada, Dyess Airforce base in Abilene, Texas, Lackland AFB in San Antonio, Texas, US Army bases Forts Bliss and Hood in Texas, Naval Bases Corpus Christi and Kingsville Texas, Naval Air Station Key West and others, designed to deter foreign aggression (which has happened).

A few US bases are located near the Canada USA border, US Army Fort Drum, USAF Base Minot North Dakota but these are for Canada's protection, which in turn protects the USA. For the USA to treat Canada the way Russia apparently sees Ukraine is unthinkable, and this is because of joint decisions made by both countries.

Why don't Russia and Ukraine choose a different road?

Russia would like to dominate Ukraine for control of transportation, to extend its commercial interests farther and better than it can now. Of course Russians don't like Ukraine gaining an ability to resist.

Russia would never and never will do what that quote suggests, it would be the end of their nation. Such statements are simply political posturing for hometown effect.

The US President in office is not making these decisions. That process is being concealed.

Censored here? Don't insult another reader; that won't happen. 😊

seeineyes

22/12/2021 12:18:23

I don't know how much u know the history about the cold war..
Russia claim the United States has failed to uphold a promise that NATO would not expand into Eastern Europe, a deal made during the 1990 negotiations between the West and the Soviet Union over German unification (Berlin wall fall).
In this view, Russia is being forced to forestall NATO’s eastward march as a matter of self-defense.

"In early February 1990, U.S. leaders made the Soviets an offer. According to transcripts of meetings in Moscow on Feb. 9, then-Secretary of State James Baker suggested that in exchange for cooperation on Germany, U.S. could make “iron-clad guarantees” that NATO WOULD not EXPAND “one inch eastward.”

Less than a week later, Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev agreed to begin reunification talks. No formal deal was struck, but from all the evidence, the quid pro quo was clear: Gorbachev acceded to Germany’s western alignment and the U.S. would limit NATO’s expansion.

Nevertheless, great powers rarely tie their own hands. In internal memorandums and notes, U.S. policymakers soon realized that ruling out NATO’s expansion might not be in the best interests of the United States.
At the same time, however, it appears the Americans still were trying to convince the Russians that their concerns about NATO would be respected. Baker pledged in Moscow on May 18, 1990, that the United States would cooperate with the Soviet Union in the “development of a new Europe.”
And in June, per talking points prepared by the NSC, Bush was telling Soviet leaders that the United States sought “a new, inclusive Europe.”

It’s therefore not surprising that Russia was incensed when Poland, Hungary, the Czech Republic, the Baltic states and others were ushered into NATO membership starting in the mid-1990s.

Boris Yeltsin, Dmitry Medvedev and Gorbachev himself protested through both public and private channels that U.S. leaders had violated the non-expansion arrangement.

As NATO began looking even further eastward, to Ukraine and Georgia, protests turned to outright aggression and saber-rattling.
NATO’S widening umbrella doesn’t justify Putin’s bellicosity or his incursions in Ukraine or Georgia.
Still, the evidence suggests that Russia’s protests have merit and that U.S. policy has contributed to current tensions in Europe.
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anyway. Russia has no intention of invading ukraine - it's a basket case that always needed subsidies and still does.
Russia is quite happy to let the US provide those subsidies now, it just wants to ensure that the ethnic Russians in Dunbass and Luhansk provinces (Russian ppl) are treated fairly.
That's why the Minsk Accords were signed which guaranteed Ukraine sovereignty within a Federal structure providing more autonomy to the Provinces.
The Minsk Accords have not been implemented because Kiev is either unwilling or unable to implement them.
And you can't blame Russia for that.
If Russia ever had any intent to occupy Ukraine it would have already been over within 2 days.

And Form history of Ukraine:
Kiev Rus is where Russia started, so for Putin taking eastern Ukraine is like for Americans taking Philadelphia.
Western Ukraine those were traditional Polish territories later given to Ukraine by Stalin.
Poland could easily claim Ukraine all the way to Tarnopol (and the would be nice of them takin only that much, since they could claim a lot more than that)
Ukraine should be 1/3 of its current territory and Ukrainians should be thankful even for that.

Kyle

21/12/2021 22:28:30

Victoria/Australia

Steve

22/12/2021 06:44:27

Steve. Western Australia.

22/12/2021 08:53:34

Like Patrick, I’m from The Lone Star State (Texas).

Allen

22/12/2021 10:04:35

Southern Indiana, USA

Derek

22/12/2021 11:32:09

Ontario, Canada

Haz

22/12/2021 12:02:59

Nashua/New Hampshire

22/12/2021 14:01:01

Williamsburg, VA

22/12/2021 16:42:35

Hi, I'm from Bologna, Italy

Santanu Acharya

22/12/2021 20:42:19

Calcutta / Kolkata, India

Scott2

22/12/2021 22:01:17

Didn't we do this rollcall anyways Ontario Canada

Susan

23/12/2021 01:41:49

I'm wishing everyone a very happy Christmas and New Year. Sending love to you all xoxox

23/12/2021 01:53:13

Thank you, Susan.

Likewise.

23/12/2021 01:51:38

North Georgia Mountains, USA
(right next to North Carolina border)

G-man

23/12/2021 07:52:25

Hello from Toronto, Canada 🙂

Tom P

23/12/2021 09:49:27

St. Louis, Missouri, USA

Jojoma

23/12/2021 12:25:28

Sarnia, Ontario,Canada

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