Hi Patrick ... Fascinating as always, this revisit to a topic that never gets old. It raises a question concerning this "all lives are happening at the same time" notion. Under hypnosis, we can be "regressed" (a concept that inherently includes time) to "previous" lifetimes, can witness our deaths and the period between lifetimes, as we plan our next incarnations.
So this means our prior lifetimes are over and in the past, it would seem, if we can thusly view them. But if they're all happening simultaneously, how could any of them have ended? How can we know the outcomes of lives that are still going on?
Can we similarly view incarnations that we haven't yet decided to undertake, even if those incarnations take place in an earlier time in Earth's history?
They haven't ended, only the illusion of time makes things seem that way.
"Past lives" is a timeline derived label we create from our illusive beliefs, which we then attach to things. This helps support the perspective of a timeline, which only exists on Earth because of changing sunlight angles.
Nighttime is all the same, isn't it? Does the sky at 10 PM (far enough away from the poles) look the same as it does at 4 AM? Sure does, just like an overcast day is the same from mid morning until late afternoon, if we cannot see the sun. Only clocks can give us a clue under nightfall or heavy clouds. Without timepieces measuring it, we'd lose track in short order.
If you believe human existence is only what happens between conception,
birth and death, then time is solid and concrete.
If the human mind and soul are taken together as pre and post-existing the body,
then time is the illusion of Earth life and bodies.
Wonderfull, all we have to do is change our belief.
We still play the game and enjoy it with pleasure, pain and be aware at the same time.
Great explanation of the riddle of time.
I felt very sleepy after reading this post. I’ve been a reader here since almost the beginn8ng and some of these more mind-blowing concepts are so deep I feel the need to sleep afterwards. I’ve noticed it more than a few times over the years. It’s not out of boredom I assure you. Maybe it’s just that way with me but why is that?
Sleep can often be the need for a GAG conference.
When I first saw your unintentional typo in the word "Beginn8ng", I thought how cool.
An right side up "infinity symbol" made it into a conversation about time. I suppose "infinity" could be conceptually couched in both space and time conversations.
No distinct beginning or end points.
Proving "time & time again", how easily I can amuse myself.
Me too Tim
Don't quite know how to express or make my point about this, but I strongly feel the word "illusion" is not the best word to use. I understand what TC are suggesting, but to me "illusion suggests it's something that we only think is happening, when really it's not, and anyone who is on this planet knows very well that time does indeed does happen, same thing with cash, it ain't no illusion, if you don't have lots on this planets (since about 1998, you are well and truly "fucked," unless of course you can handle living under a bridge and wiping you're arse on dried gumleaves !!!!!😀😀
Maybe a better description would be it's a man-made falseity that time exists, and if falseity isnt a word, then it fuckin should be !!!😀
Falsity or falsehood, pick your favorite!
"...we only think is happening, when really it's not..."
BINGO - excellent definition.
Time, money and many other things INDEED are illusions which exist only inside beliefs.
"What benefit do we derive from knowing any of these things?" This is a question I ask myself almost on a daily basis. And yet still I come to these and similar pages. I can only conclude our thirst for knowledge is a simple reflection of a yearning for home.
Good point Alex, I too wonder that same thing??
We are "home" on a voluntary trip behind the veil, the passage of time being a big, basic, foundational component of the elaborate set of curtains and drapes
If the time was only that, a psicological effect, allowed by the sun moving and lighting changing impression on our psyche, then going into a deep cave with no light and no changes in the environment would make us immortal, right?
No time seems to pass in a cave, so no change vould be allowed... But I suppose that if you put a guy in a cave, and wait, after several years you could find him really aged, or even dead of aging... (supposing that you allow him to have sufficient food/water, or you will find him dead by starvation...)
This link between sunlight and the time existing/not existing if uou see/don't see it, really is at odds with me.
The psycological awareness of time passing should be, and really it is, a separate thing with respect to the environment changing in an irreversible way, the thing that support "time" as adistinct, objective thing.
For science, is thermodynamics ( better said, the second principle) that effectively marks a "time arrow", letting us to distinguish a "before" and an "after" in a conclusive, incontrovertible way.
A match that is fired, burns, ending in ashes, is an irreversible process: it is a small example of irreversible thermodinamic processes, which is a irreversible order of phisical states, an so it marks a concrete time ordering. Birning a match is easy and when started, the process is automathic. We also NEVER see ashes absorbing gases, fumes and heat from the environment, and rebuild a wooden match. This is the basic reason why scientist say that time flows irrefutabily in one direction.
A the end, time for science is based on thermodynamics, and indeed time seems not really as an illusion, considering that a bad timing in ignition, could end in a rocket to explode and kill the entire crew.
Thermodinamics is considered universally valid, being based on known basic laws of nature and pure mathematics, so it is valid the same on earth surface, in a deep cave or in the deep space. A match ignited in these three places, will burn the same way.
I know, the committe has already said to me that an astronaut would age very slowly in deep space, but at present is really something difficoult to accept or comprehend as the result of time being different in different places of universe (not considerating relativistic effects).
Would an astronaut become immortal just because of staying indefinitley in a ship being in the deep space? It seems really unlikely to me...
Have a nice day
A match that is fired, burns, ending in ashes, is an irreversible process
This is the end process of part of a tree life's, the full process is pre-existence, life and after existence, no time involve it is always in the process, so are we.
Thermodinamics is considered universally valid
If science is based on facts where do these facts come from, we have not travelled to other galaxies yet, this is assumed not proven.
If we had portions of universe where thermodynamics behaves differently than on Earth, we would have observed it. If time flows differently in space or in deep caves, just because we don't have the sun, we would have esperienced it.
But if we start matches in the caves, they burn, as usual, and they burn in the same way we see on the surface, regardeless the sun is over the horizon or not...
I can understand that time experience in the heavens is really different than in the material plane: Erik talks of "stacked time", for example. I'm not arguing on how "time" look like qhen you are a pure energy being...
We observe the universe from our limited Earth point of view, we have not observed and experienced thermodynamics outside our galaxy, for me it is still an assumption
we have several ways to directly and indirectly observe far portions of the universe. Till today, nothing exotic has been observed...
But let's assume that for unknown reasons, one portion of universe has a different set of laws: the next question would be, what happens between this region and the surroundings? How different laws could morph one in another without having critical unbalancings ?
But se have already had a conclusive answer by the committe itself on the subject: all nine universes share the same set of laws. If this is true for entire universes, the more is valid for a single universe in itself, don't you think?
Have a nice day
@ Pierluigi: Nothing exotic? The Committee says otherwise. They add: "You will see light bend, stop and then re-accelerate at velocities humans now believe cannot exist. You will see the insides of atoms and you will observe instant communication across the galaxy, controlled a used by physical beings similar to yourselves. The speed of light will be seen as simply one dimension's appreciation of the bigger effect.
The exotic behaviors of physics will amaze you,"
Dear Patrick and Committee
if the "you " is referred to "me" in this incarnation, I will very happy to testimony this. :)
Nothing is more exciting and thrilling for a scientist to discover new and surprising aspects of the Nature ☺
Have a nice day
I missed the post about nine universes, will search for that in the Amendment books.
The first sentence is not logical. Physical mortality of the body, and "aging" are designed around and to be a part of the time illusion. This also means the human body is an illusion.
After your body dies, you'll "see" this, but for now, enjoy the illusion in which EVERYBODY participates, so much so that it does not SEEM like the illusion IT IS.
Got home from the pub 2 hours late last night, and told the wife " don't be upset love, only an illusion that I'm home 2 hours late " her response, don't worry then " just tell yourself it's an iluilltion that you're sleeping on the lounge for next ,2 nights ,"!!!😀 Douh !!!!!
@Steve lol I guess you learned not to try and outsmart ur wife
@Steve....iluilltion.... this is the result of how many pints at the pub
@Denis lol I have heard funny stories about us Canadians being big drinkers I wonder how many countries could match us in a drinking contest
@ scott2: Unfortunately, I have been to quite a few nations (about 3 dozen) and heavy consumption is common in quite a few. The one I'm in now qualifies, to my personal disappointment. Canadians would meet their match in more than a few cases.
@Patrick lol that's ok Patrick I take everything on here with a little bit of humor
@Scott2 I worked in a logging camp in northern B.C and in a mining camp in Northwest Territories Australia, in the mining camp the consumption of beer was double. When I was in Sydney a lot was consume, I would say a lot more than in Montreal in those days 1971-1973
@denis ya I remember my step dad saying how at some point in Gibraltar hope I spelled that right they needed to employ 3 ships to keep the beer flowing because we would work drink sleep and do it again next day
Probably the best way to describe all our lives, is that we all are Characters/Actors playing out stuff to experience with each other...
I think I will spend lots of time being me again as a child with my twin sister when I leave, that and revisit my most interesting lifetimes :-)
considering your definition, no wonder why the Role Playing Games are so attractive to people :)
At the end, it seems that life on Earth is the Ultimate Role Playing Game...
By the way, I have fun playing those games by 25 years or so ;)
Have a nice day
Liked the book, word and letter reference on how life on earth proceeds. Using that analogy, I was thinking about how some of the days in my life probably add up to four letter words - that my "book" is probably filled with a lot of swear words - Mature audiences only!