Interesting, I don't recall ever coming across the word Klatch in Straylia.!😀
You can start a trend, mate!
This was a good one.
Some questions about eating meat and hunting. My understanding about deer hunting, is that since deer have lost their natural predators in many places, without hunting they overpopulate and end up spreading disease that kills them.
Does TC have any input about this?
Also, it seems that whenever I don't eat meat, I feel sick. It would be great if eating meat was history, but maybe some of us are not adapted for it yet?
Plus, if all humans stopped eating meat, carnivorous animals would still be killing for meat. Their bodies require it.
Answers The Committee:
1. Humans understand deer populations, diseases and deaths well.
2. Incomplete proteins cause the sickness feeling. The animal not hunted will die anyway, often in a worse more unpleasant manner, than if hunted bu humans. Predation by other animals is also often a more unpleasant manner of death.
3. Yes, as do require many humans complete proteins.
Since I live in the mountains with national forest all around, hunting is a way of life for the people here. Some of them even depend on a deer in the freezer to make ends meet. I remember the culture shock of seeing an eleven-year-old boy in the local newspaper with his first deer kill. The caption said, "His family will never go hungry with such a skilled hunter in the family." It wasn't the hunt that was the culture shock; it was the need to rely on the hunt to make ends meet.
There is an online message board for our region, and you wouldn't believe how many city-dwellers thinking of moving to the area write posts saying they hope there won't be hunters here. One of the locals is a biologist, and she tirelessly explains the horrors of the slow deaths by disease awaiting deer if they are not hunted. City-dwellers don't realize how disconnected they are from the realities of nature.
@ Lorri: Disconnected city folk who like steak, chicken, lamb, pork chops, sausage, beef stew etc but have never been in a slaughterhouse or think much about one. Who like "Whole Foods Supermarkets" but know almost nothing about trucking and who prefer safe streets without any knowledge of police work.
Not just disease deaths, also starvation. Removal of predators causes the overpopulation to be checked by insufficient food.
Yes. The first question I always have for anti-hunting people is whether they are vegetarians. And if not, where does their meat come from? How was it raised? How did it die?
Large factory farms are notorious for making the animals live miserable lives. How can they not stop to think that a deer living a free life in the forest had an infinitely better life than the cow/pig/turkey/chicken that lived on a huge factory farm?
Not to mention that the deer in the forest isn't dosed up with antibiotics and hormones like the factory meat is.
@lorri yeah I hear you it's sad factory animals suffer but even worse is probably most of those people care more about a paycheck than whether or not an animal has feelings
While a "stay-at-home" Mom, yes indeed, I partook of some great coffee klatches...and Patrick, I sincerely enjoyed this "random and haphazard" channeling even more than my coffee klatches! Great coverage of many topics, many begging for further exploration.
Since we are randomly conversing here, I would like to recommend to y'all a cool documentary-"Love and Saucers"-2017. Seventy-one year old David Higgins' story of lifelong ET contact; he began painting his experiences. It's widely available and streaming now...
Thank you Renie.
P.S. Patrick, I forgot to add--due to the information in The Alien Handbook, I felt that I already knew so much of what was going on with that documentary.
@ Renie: Thanks for telling me that. It's nice to hear about the book from a reader's perspective. 📚
No penalties for murder. While many of us here will see the spiritual logic of this view, it reminds me just how out on a limb we are on these pages. If I tried to argue this position at work, for example, I'd be thought of as eccentric at best. My family already think so! My 14 year old son's eyeballs roll around when I try to chat to him about Pleiadians seeding humans lol.
With regard to material wealth, I believe Marx and Engels to be prescient when they state their principle to be "From each according to his ability and to each according to his need." Sharing the world's resources equally I believe would encourage peace, dignity and a clean environment for all. However this again is unlikely to be a popular view in the so called First World that most of us here browse from.
Regarding nutrition, I understand that there is no hierarchy of life forms on the planet and that meat animals incarnate knowing their role is to sustain humans and thereby contribute to their mission. Nonetheless, I try to avoid cruelty foods and follow a plant based diet. Hemp seeds are yummy and a complete source of protein. I also recall Erik saying animal foods ship with traces of animal fear, which ultimately undoes our health.
Marx and Engels made one GRAVE, FATAL error. They neglected to address WHO would determine, then regulate "needs". THAT is the problem, the absence of a voluntary aspect to their theories. The reason capitalism is successful where all other systems fall short or fail outright, is voluntary participation and absence of compulsion.
Cruelty? Consider a cat slaughtering a bird or a coyotes killing a deer. Human methods are generally far more preferable. Following a plant diet is a challenge to obtain enough complete proteins and sufficient amounts, not to mention balance with carbohydrates. That said by a fruit and vegetable lover!
Penalties for murder? I'm all for them UNTIL murder is eliminated. That is not accomplished by eliminating penalties. I oppose capital punishment but once a murderer has earned that label, remove him from society permanently. The risk of a repeat is far too high. The solution is make people belong, give a sense of community and family, which eliminates the frustrations which lead to anger then fury, or eliminate the envy, coveting of money and power associated with purchasing and possession. Money wealth and possessions can quickly become substitutes for what their possessor lacks, something community and belonging supply.
With regard to the cruelty, do animals who are killed in all the awful ways we've seen on TV suffer, or are they in shock and the spirit departs? In other words, is nature as cruel as it looks?
@ Cooper: The spirit usually departs, just as with humans but in all cases and not immediately. (Also the case with humans, sometimes.)
Now that I have the hunting and meat-eating question out of the way, I have to say I am really more interested in how the ET societies are structured.
The idea of there being more doctors, and that they are part-time doctors, is intriguing. Also that they are unshackled by ability to pay for medical care.
So much of our time is spent on Earth with managing sheer survival, that many people live unfulfilling lives. Their society seems like the individual is more freed up to pursue their own interests.
Humans are almost all free to pursue our own interests also. The issue is what interests are chosen.
Sheer survival describes almost every animal, so how different are we, really?
@Lorrie, I would posit that our earth time managing sheer survival would be considered fulfilling in the extreme, as it is the soul's choice to experience what is available in this dimension.
As for seeking to help others understand the concept of our deaths being our choice and desire, even when in tragic situations, I do not believe the great majority of humans are capable of conceiving such a concept...much like alex and his eye-rolling son, I receive pitying glances and the usual comment that "He just doesn't get it"...but who is it that isn't getting it? I'm ok with the derision and comfortable with a sense of the reality of the situation...some people simply haven't awoken.
Other Scott, my soul might be finding sheer survival fulfilling, but I as a human don't find it the least bit fulfilling. It feels like a waste of time.
And yes, I realize that a spiritual perspective could give me all kinds of reasons why it's not a waste of time. But that doesn't change how it feels. There are so many things I'd rather be doing.
I have a few questions about a topic that's recently interested me, if the committee is open to answering? I've read stories about encounters with a creature called the Michigan dogman which has the face of a dog, usually walks on two legs, and is much taller than a human. The encounters are very strange in the sense that dogman will stalk people and even scare them for fun and run at them (as it appears to people), but never to the extent of harming anyone. My questions:
1. First of all, do they exist?
2. Why does dogman have the urge to have contact with humans?
3. What is the purpose of scaring people? Is it for fun?
4. Are they multidimensional?
5. What is their relationship like with bigfoot, if there is any?
6. Do they have a history with humans in the past?
Sorry these are a lot of questions so you can choose as you read.
From May, 2018 and thereafter, I no longer respond to questions not related to a post. I trust you understand, my regrets for any disappointments, for what they're worth.
That's totally understandable. It keeps things more organized :)
"Lead by example. Not by command."
Is that what President Trump is doing?
Worst "president" ever!
Millions would say that was Trump's predecessor. Millions more, the previous predecessor, the former Governor of Texas. And so on.... and life rolls on.....
Dear Patrick and C.
just considering/chewing over this portion of your chattting with your Committee (well, this is a goal I really want to achieve with my committee :D ) :
"When enough members of society become convinced - by way of teaching these attitudes, make no mistake - that there is no opportunity to achieve what others have, and develop envy, some lash out in frustration. This is an iteration of the zero sum game, where gain is automatically, even intrinsically understood to imply loss. This is not true, but Earth provides the environment where it can be taught. It is."
So, If I understand well, our physical dimension is geared toward creation of so called "scarcity" of resources. Or better said, toward a huge slowing of the processes that could negate/remove this scarcity, correct ?
This would explain why we are deeply ingrained in resources struggles, as humans... starting form ancient times, it was all but unusual, that populations waged wars just because one population was collecting too much river waters upstream, leaving too few for people downstream...
Or fight and struggle ensued continually to own farmlands, woodlands, mines, or, to come to more recent times, oilfields, or rare earths mines...
It seems that we have a deep urge to gather "resources" to allow "our faction/tribe/nation" supremacy over the others... seen as competitors for survival.
It seems that all this position is ingrained in a need of control, damage control expecially (to allow better food, better health in general, grow more healty childrens in particular, and preserve the strenght to defend the "resources", seen as a limited asset, and maybe also conquer more of them... ).
ALL empires in History followed more or less a similar pattern of relentless resources gathering, allowing more power, used to collect more resources, reinforcing the cycle, until the empire became overstretched, thinned, and frail, and so dissolving in a plehora of more local and limited enclaves... the seed of new empires/realms to come.
What I would like to know, is if a similar pattern is awaiting us in the next few decades (say, 50 years from now): no doubt that the current geopolitical actors in these days are by no means comparable to the "empires" of old, but it seems to me that a lot of them (USA, China, Russia, Europe) are nearing a point of overstretch that would result in a general fragmentation.
URSS endured this fragmentation just thirty years ago, Europe seems to be the next subject... What about USA, China?
Will their path resemble the same as Europe or URSS, or will be different? Will we see a "maximum level of fragmentation" worldwide, and then start to rebuild a more cohesive political/economical ordering?
It seems to me that someone (Erik? I don't remember exactly) has said that a unified wolrd government is en route for the end of the century, after a period of deep turmoil (it seems that we just don't want to reach things so easily, as humans...)
Thank you for the eventual response
In a separate post; stand by....
Hi Patrick I was just wondering if I asked you one question and of course I pay for it I understand your position but would the price still be a hundred dollars thanks
I don’t have prices. I won’t be answering questions not related to the topic of a post.
I meant if I I contacted you through your contact page sorry for the confusion
@scott2: From time to time I've been asked and I'll do what I can, if & when.
@Patrick thanks and i'm fine with paying you its understandable