On average across the billions of souls re-incarnating. Is there an average number of times that a soul chooses to re-incarnate, before deciding to move onto newer ventures?
Do any souls feel any kind of emotional attachment to there earthly bodies? Or miss the times they shared together in partnership?
Responds The Committee:
Yes, there is a meaningless mathematical average. No soul considers this, it signifies nearly nothing.
There are no newer ventures, the previous ones are never old. Simply additional. The word "new" is human.
No, the attachment to the former Earthly body disappears as on as death liberates a soul.
This concept of miss is also human. It means the experience cannot be repeated or easily. In Heaven relationships can always be done again, and because of this, no repeats are ever desired. The uniqueness of all experience gives way to great appreciation, where a human might feel s/he misses something.
*as soon as death liberates...
Speaking about people who are more awakened and people who are not!! I have a good friend whom I've been friends with for 30 years (he is Californian) he is a natural musician and is 14 years older than me and I would describe him as not spiritual at all or Religious, but because I'm spiritual I would dearly love to hang out with him in the afterlife. . Maybe he is in my Soulgroup???
Says The Committee: He is in your soul group now.
@Committee....Oh you mean he wasn't before??
@Susan: No, not by YOUR understanding of soul group. There are materially different versions, interpretations & compositions.
THis reminds me when I just remembered, as soon as I was awake, my cousin coming to say hi in.
It was in a dream, he died two days earlier in a fatal car crash.
What surprised me was that in this dream, I was aware he was "dead", he also was aware being "dead", and nobody of us cared.
I just said him how glad I was he decided to visit, and also, when awake, I felt really grateful of having remembered the dream.
I suppose that me an my cousin are really close in the heavens, differently than in my current incarnation, where we had very limited interaction...
Neither of you two cared about being dead because nobody WAS dead.
A couple of thoughts after reading this...
“Oh my Heavens” &
“Oh the Humanity”.
@pierluigi....that's very cool dream with your cousin 😊
Yes, it was a big and unespected gift from him...
On the other hand, my wife, to date, was never able to recall a dream having her father... He died 11 year ago, and never once she had adream about him (or maybe able to recall one, I guess)... she misses him, and is a little bit saddened by this inability to see him again, even in dreams...
Sometimes I'm wondering if this silence is the effect of a selective dream amnesia, or simply it is some sort of an agreement between them.
I found this really strange, tough.
How about body builders who are obsessed with Thier physical bodies, are they not a bit distressed if they croak in their prime and don't have their magnifisent body anymore ????
No doubt we can manifest the physique of a Greek god, should we so wish to present ourselves.
"Yes, to both" says The Committee, "however the meaning of a physical body fades away very quickly after human death."
Would it be correct to say that, in general, our immediate family are members of our soul group, very familiar to us through many incarnations and with similar vibrational levels?
I believe a session with The Committee on "Soul Groups" is in order.
@Patrick Hi Patrick I was just wondering with soul groups is it common to have a person like yourself in a soul group but not have any connection with them until a predetermined time in our lives like I have only known about you for maybe 5 yrs or so I'll shut up now to keep from talking lol
Hi Patrick ... Could The Committee elaborate on this statement from the post: " you will quickly
and nearly immediately become aware that the one and many people who inflicted the torture
you suffered, will be experiencing the effects, exactly as you felt them."
By what means will the torturers become the tortured? Surely you're not tortured in the afterlife, so are the pains of torture you inflicted be experienced by you during your life review? Or, is it a karmic return during this or another incarnation?
Also, I've been reading a lot of Committee lately so I can't remember in which post (or book) this was discussed, but TC seemed to say that Star Trek-style transporters, that beam body and soul from ship to planet or ship to ship, are impossible? That no such technology exists or can exist in the physical plane?
As always, much thanks for the wisdom.
"...will the torturers become the tortured"? YES, which is the reason revenge and retribution are wasted, redundant and personally HARMFUL efforts for & to whomever pursues them. The torturer will, by his own hand, seek and temporarily experience the effects of his Earthly actions. (Sorry for the masculine possessive pronoun BUT women rarely do it. Physical cruelty is one area of human male social dominance women are happy to leave alone, and I admire females for this.)
The former torturer will experience the EXACT same emotion(s) and sensations as did his victims, temporarily. Just as we experience the joy we create and/or share in others, while we live on Earth.
There is no such thing as karma or karmic return. This is not punishment to the former torturer, it is willingly undertaken by that soul.
Yes, Star Trek style transporters are impossible for human bodies inside the three dimensional environment we generally occupy. Our ethereal souls however, do it ALL THE TIME. The TV show devices are a reference to this process.
The technology exists for some things, the most common of which is TV or "live streaming".
So, I'm trying to visualize "professional" torturers periodically taking a break so that they can experience the lash themselves. Or the fire, the acid, or whatever was their method, and doing so voluntarily. And this is a universal phenomenon?
As for karma, it is deluxely documented in The Michael Teachings, from Edgar Cayce, and even from Jesus. The latter stated in Matthew 7, "Stop judging, that you may not be judged. For as you judge, so will you be judged, and the measure with which you measure will be measured out to you."
That sure sounds like karma, but I am perhaps misunderstanding what he meant.
Can The Committee explain? Thanks!
Cooper - The Committee has explained many times. The judgment is SELF-judgment, far more harsh than any which might come from others, no matter what their position or status.
Jesus cried out, in vain, as he was being whipped and taken away by Roman soldiers. He implored God to forgive them, for they knew not what they were doing.
Well intentioned as Jesus was, he probably also knew it was out of "God's" hands, that these soldiers and their masters would subject themselves, voluntarily, to the same thing and were 100% unaware of that.
Yes, but what did Jesus mean, in the quotation I cited? And why do these other sources so clearly describe karma, if it exists only as self-judgment?
And, in your example, how did the soldiers and others associated with the act of crucifying Jesus experience being hung on the cross, and the other tortures inflicted upon Jesus?
Jesus meant to offer and request mercy. Karma is described because they believe in it. It exists ONLY as self-judged, self inflicted. The crucifiers stepped into Jesus' sandals and felt exactly what Jesus did.
Did they do this during their life review, or in a parallel reality? And if neither of those, then under what circumstance does one undergo such an experience? And what is the effect on the person's subsequent behavior?
Self-judged, self-inflicted, and assessed and inflicted in real-time? That would justify and define Karma as it is conventionally understood, while explaining who's making the decisions. Is that right?
@ Cooper: These questions are covered in previous channelings, however to briefly summarize:
During their & a life review, for everybody who chooses to perform one.
The effect on subsequent INCARNATED behavior is whatever a person chooses for their life plan or what they select in the circumstance where such choice is possibly available.
Real time = simultaneously? No, if that's the case.
What is right or not is satisfaction with one's beliefs.
@Cooper.... There were actually many different timelines of experience for that Jesus story and different people cross connect to the different pasts so that story can be whatever you want it to be ;-)
I’ve enjoyed this immensely , thank you . And so cool that I’m rereading your channeling book 3/7 2013 right now and I’m right on this exact subject of heaven and what to expect , I love the whole subject and I think it’s some of the very best of all The Committee material
Thank you, Kim.
Thanks, Patrick. I'm sorry about the repetition with earlier channelings, but I've been trying to reconcile the Karma Yes sources with the Karma No sources, both of them impeccable. I think I understand it now.
Cooper: No apology required or accepted. I mentioned that only to suggest more information has been channeled.
The impeccability of the explanation aligns with the beliefs of the expressor. I don't have a belief one way or the other, I ask The Committee.
Patrick, what if the torturer genuinely repented and asked for forgiveness before dying or returning home to heaven? Does he still have to feel the pain and suffering he inflicted upon his victim or is it somewhat lessened?
That decision is made between victim and perpetrator, but the abuser might still choose to experience the effects of his actions. No victim can prevent or cause this.
Hi Patrick ... Emmanuel's question and your response describe what I have been referring to as karma. I hope you will forgive my confusion on what may be a semantic point.
In my obviously limited understanding, karma refers to a set of rules or protocols that apply to bringing back into balance and energetic imbalances caused by one's bad actions against others, whether they be merely annoying or fatal, or anywhere in between.
The HOW of karma is widely misunderstood, it seems, because most people assume that it's punishment (it's not) and that it's externally applied (again, it's apparently not). From what I can gather (including from your most recent Q&A), the abuser and the abusee confer at soul level and determine what actions the abuser should undertake to bring about the desired balance.
Is that right? And, can we not call that "karma"?
The Michael entity, a Causal Plane soul collective, says thusly:
"Karmic Debts are a fascinating process of balancing energies. You do something completely nasty to me, I get to do something completely nasty to you. We both learn
from the experience. We balance the energy. Afterwards, in the pub, we have a good laugh."
Is that incorrect?
Thanks very much, Patrick and The Committee, for your wisdom.
Should be: "...bringing back into balance ANY energetic imbalances..."