Beautiful article Patrick and tc
Best post ever ! I'm thrilled to pieces the delicious long detailed answer . It's frustrating when so often a question about what will happen when we die / what's heaven like is answered with Whatever you choose to happen - although I understand the truth to the answer . It's the details we want and The Committee and Patrick really delivered , thank you . One question - when talking about how the soul is free to roam but chooses not to cross barriers " the fastest way to generate human interest is to prohibit knowledge and access; in Heaven the best way to limit knowledge and access is to state intent ." I understand the first part but not the second ?
We humans teach each other distrust of restrictions & limits; we see privacy as something to be invaded, concealment to be unmasked. We establish boundaries for the pleasure of both invading and being invaded. (Like many things the dense human body experience provides.)
There is no such process in Heaven, the opposite occurs. Boundaries are rare and respected. They are perceived the way medical treatment is by humans.
Most beautiful description. Brought tears into my eyes.
But is this the universal experience? Many people are said to experience judgement, hell, demons leading them away, see gods or saints from their respective religions and so on, depending on their preconceived notions and their beliefs. So, aren't the experiences supposed to be different for each person?
Says The Committee, "Yes. As we have said, there are choices and plans in this process and all things of what you mention can be included. Religions are of mankind and humanity, elements of their beliefs can be included as any soul prefers. None are required; what a religion says a Catholic or a Hindu will encounter, is of the Earth; this does not bind a soul to the process of her or his return home, where no religions or Earth beliefs need apply."
Hell = You arrive in spirit realm and everyone there has your mother in laws head and voice on their bodies !! Sorry couldnt resist 😀
@steve lol I remember a joke about suicide bombers being promised 72 virgins instead they get 72 mother in laws lol
They only receive seventy one; #72 raised my wife, hell and my blood pressure.
Lol Patrick I'd cry for you but I'll just be happy I'm not in your shoes
Um, Patrick, per TC, won't you be thanking her for the role she played so well in your life when you get to heaven...?🤔
@frank I think Patrick would rather face hellfire and brimstone first lol
Well played, Scott, well played. Indeed he might
I have read so many interesting accounts of what a return Home is like, and this one fleshes some more things out.
It's beautiful and very interesting that WE plan how our return will unfold.
Patrick, when you described the person returning to Earth and walking down streets and on top of buildings where they've lived, it was like I was living it.
Simply Brilliant. I'm tearing up with joy. Floundering for words to express my feelings. Thanks Patrick for this post.
The Committee says, "You're welcome."
The truth of what TC say in this post resonates strongly with me. Perhaps too strongly as I often find mundane, day to day life in human form a puzzling and tiresome challenge. I guess it does take courage to come here amongst all the madness of terrorism, inequality, greed and intolerance we see too much of today.
The world can be overwhelming but if I can come here and make a difference to just one person's life, it's been a worthwhile visit.
I've already planned my return and have often told spirit what I have in mind. As a wee boy, my late mum would always collect me from Boys Brigade on a Friday night and walk me back home. I've asked her to walk me back home when it's time and I know she'll be there. In the meantime I know she continues to take a great interest in how I'm getting on.
I've been working in IT for 20 years but it leaves me cold and have been thinking about retraining as a nurse so I can develop my loving kindness.
Terrorism, inequality, greed and intolerance have been with us for a LONG time. There's an ever lower amount mixed with an ever greater news about them.
Nurses have the opportunity to observe more people die than probably anyone else, slowly and not-so-slowly. Consider that aspect of the work.
Just finished reading this a few seconds ago and the first thought that popped into my head was, HOLY (WHOLELY) SH#T!!!
That was well done TC.
Just read this while sitting in my heaven. Beautifully described and confirms where I'll be when I get home. Thanks, Patrick ❤️
A really great post, detailed explanation of the process and easily understandable, a standard of The Committee and Patrick. Yes, I mean it. TC send the thoughts, you translitterate the whole business, it's team work
If you enjoyed this post, ide like to recommend a book called Life in the Unseen World by Anthony Borgaia (Channelled) it is excellent.
Steve, I read that online years ago and LOVED it!!!
I also think that book was as advanced as possible for the time it was written in. Still very enjoyable stuff. Loved how visually descriptive it was.
The Committee has taken us even farther in my opinion, but that book would be a great beginning for lots of people.
Wonderful description. I agree the best the Committee have ever been ;-)
I very much enjoyed. I do not fear being dead but I just can't get over the fear of death, I could use some help with that. Tell the committee that!
Paulette, which part of death do you fear? The actual dying, with it's possible physical pain? Or do you fear being on the other side?
I can understand fearing the process of death, but I think life on Earth has more to be scared of than life at Home.
So true. If anyone's looking for Hell, it's right here folks! It's as man made as peanut butter jelly.
I think Woody Allen nailed it with his statement "I have no problem with dying, I just don't want to be there when it happens" !!
I checked my notes from reading exceptional nde's only found this one.
Being smashed into the rocks was painful, so I decided drowning was the better choice. The next time my head popped out of the water, with my last breath, I told him (the rescuer) to let go and he did. I felt the water pull me under and I relaxed into it. I knew there was no point in struggling as I breathed in the water, and everything went black. 97 Diane G
Remember when you hurt yourself, 3 seconds elapse before you feel the pain
I've read all the exceptional nde on NDERF site, all say the same thing at the moment of dying there is no physical pain, you exit the body before the brain reacts.
That solved my fear of dying but it has not solve my fear of physical pain.
It is when I read such essays that I fell infinitely grateful to be existent.
Feel, not fell :D :D
these mistypes are killing me XD
@pierluigi autocorrect is a pain in the ass isn't it lol
Thank you so TC and Patrick for this. I am appreciating so much more my life here and the experiences that come my way. I am very grateful to have found this group.
Wonderful and uplifting post! Thanks to the reader for submitting the questions that were so beautifully answered by TC. This sheds a whole new light on the immense value of human suffering. I've heard of this concept previously from other sources, but it never really hit home until I read TC's explanation...so much makes sense now! Much gratitude for this, Patrick...and love the headline picture of the rolling living room!
Late 50s to early 60s big American cars have fascinated me since I was a kid and roads were loaded with them. (The emissions and fuel consumption don't fascinate me, however) The stepfather of a good boyhood friend friend had a black Cadillac just like this one, (but without the Grand Tetons in the far background.)
1. Is the afterlife like a White projector screen and you are the projector, projecting what you perceive the afterlife looks like onto it?
2. Does your soul incarnate in many lifetimes, on many planets in many universes and dimensions? All at once?
3. Erik says some people take a few minutes to transition, some take many earth years. As people try to come to terms with what they are seeing.
Says The Committee:
1. It is not a projection, it is a creation. You are the creator or modifier or visitor, as much of each as you choose.
2. Yes and yes.
3. In terms of Earth linear sequential time, yes but this only matters when compared to the Earth environment. In your home of Heaven, there are no clocks, calendars, minutes, weeks or years. If a spirit chooses to remain Earthbound, the clock can run for this segment which human perception of the time illusion creates. Once the spirit returns to Heaven and home, the perception of time's elapse disappears. Just as your return to Heaven will seem to have been a short trip of only a few moments, even if many decades in length upon Earth.
"Once the spirit returns to Heaven and home, the perception of time's elapse disappears. Just as your return to Heaven will seem to have been a short trip of only a few moments, even if many decades in length upon Earth."
I understand measuring time in terms of Earth's rotation becomes irrelevant once you leave the planet. In heaven, since there is still a sequence of events happening, some measurement would be useful to mark the occurrence points of different events (on earth, it is called 'time'). That is why the concept of timelessness is so difficult to be understood by myself who is used to linear time.
My question concerns the relativity of time. I understand time is relative, ie an astronaut travelling in a spacecraft moving at WRAP 1.0 will experience time differently from us who live on the planet. If an astronaut travels in a fast-moving spacecraft for a few years, when he comes back to Earth, everyone else will have aged much more than the astronaut. Gravity also affects time, if we live on a planet with much stronger gravity than Earth, time spent on that planet would be relatively 'slower' than Earth time. Is time in heaven also much 'slower' than Earth time, and if so, why?
UHG I hate that part about incarnating all over the place at the same time . It's overwhelming and confusing to me and seems to dilute the importance of this known life I'm living now . I just wish all the lives could be at least sequential , building knowledge . I wonder if it's possible to dip into a life I'd consider super spiritualy advanced or even materially successful and profit in this life from that other life ? But I guess you'd have to have deep knowledge of that other life to absorb from it ? So this means I'm living other lives on this Earth right now ? Are these other lives wildly different or similar with similar lessons goals and experiences ?
You create your own reality according to your beliefs, intents and expectations, no matter whether on the earth plane or in a created heaven or hell or anywhere in between. You get what your thoughts dwell upon; you can create fences for yourself or you can shatter restrictive beliefs and be free of psychological confines...ron...PS, I've yet to rub shoulders with any essence teacher, whether breathing air or so-called, "dead," who does not teach this in some form of words.
@ Stephen: You say "..In heaven, since there is still a sequence of events happening..."
Answers The Committee: It is better to say, in human words of English, there is an expansion. It is not necessarily sequential, although that is common. Inserts into an established sequence can be made, and this is equally common, something perceived not possible on Earth. This means an entire day can be inserted into a life already completed, during what on Earth seems to be a subsequent life. Much the way new lines of code can be inserted into a computer application."
To your space time questions, The Committee says: "The travelling astronaut will continue to age according to the Earth environment, because it is from this environment his body originates.
Gravity does not affect time, the two effects are not related. Gravity is magnetism without electricity. Time is an illusion of rotation.
Time is not slowed or accelerated because of gravity. Time does not exist off the surface of a rotating sphere receiving the steady light of a star."
@Kim - if all lives could be blended, what would be the point to having separate lives? Your suggestion underlines what nearly every person does; pursue what is pleasant and pleasurable, avoiding what is negative or bad. If we could do that effectively, life for everyone would be over tomorrow.
It's like the raging debate over illegal immigration in the USA; strong support exists for another amnesty and granting of either citizenship or some legalized status. The reality is, most people in the USA illegally love the border, because it creates the opportunity for which they entered the USA. If the border were not there, everything they're running away from would follow. The illegal aliens in the USA want special treatment but the border to remain, so what they get from being in the USA can continue. Entirely logical; I don't blame anyone for wanting this individually.
In the same exact way, we all want what we deem good, and try to stay away from what's "bad."
How? "Bad" things happen all the time, everywhere and almost nobody involved woke up that day and planned it, looking for trouble that would hurt, injure or kill them. Look at the UK over the past few weeks...which victim would have gone where s/he was, knowing in advance what was going to happen?
Our knowledge and experience build but not in sequence; our souls expand and grow in all directions. On Earth, we artificially assemble this growth into segments which follow one another like a number line and we do it SO well, we can hardly imagine anything else. It's like the sun not rising...
There's a medium and energy worker who spun off of CE who said they helped a spirit trapped in a pub in the U.K. to return Home. The spirit had been there for ages and said he didn't feel the passage of time. He just noticed the fashions kept changing.
...ron rambles...an explanation on my UFO/ET contact is in order if some did not catch it over on my "SETH FORCE" Facebook site a while back. I never went public, kept it to myself and used the info to later help myself, but the "deposited" mental "zip" file with Seth-type info was not ready to gel with me until the late, 1970s when I began reviewing my loose simple notes that I had taken and the info began taking on more clarity and depth and comprehension that I had not developed when I was 17 and 18. That is, when I spiritually "awoke" the info un-zipped and came into focus.
Briefly, In fall of 1961 to early 1962, I saw quite a few UFOs at great distance in the skies above Miami both day and night. Some appeared to glow and some were dark. These objects did not behave as planes in speed or movement. The sightings created an intense burning desire in me to learn about what it was that I was seeing. To no avail, I got no help from anyone and I asked everyone. Most thought I was just seeing things. But I just had to find out! I constantly rolled over the sightings in my mind wondering if something would happen, and happen it did.
In early February or 1962, before school, at a certain location I was somehow mentally directed to, I met a young man who greeted me with a broad smile and who identified himself as the "space man" who read my thoughts and got permission to contact me to put my mind to rest. My thoughts activated a channel in their psyche and they made the decision to go ahead with contact. Needless to say, I was amazed and began asking a million questions.
He reminded me that time had slipped away and that I had better be getting off to school and that he would arrange to see me again real soon, and he suggested that I write down my questions for him to answer.
Next meeting, he revealed that he was a non-physical being, a teacher on the order of a guardian angel, and that he lowered his high vibrational frequency rate to match that of earth's lower vibrational level, and he then could appear in our "density" reality as a human-like form that I could comfortably relate to, so he mentally created a suitable male form in its mid 20s, physical in appearance, but not human.
I learned that he did not have a name, however, he had many prior lifetimes on earth, one as an Atlantean farmer tens of thousands of years ago in the Golden Age of Atlantis and sun energy pyramids, and several as an Indian in what is now northern India but the region was called different names then, this lifetime being several thousand years ago. His Indian name was Yudhisthiva, and he was involved with lighter-than-air-vehicles that floated just above the ground, called "Vimanas" the ancient Sanskrit name. He said that he was at one time involved with the Vedas translated into written form.
I had with me a list of several questions which he psychically knew about and they were.
Who are you, what is your name and where did you come from?
Do you believe in God? Where is he? Is there a heaven and a hell?
What happens to me when I die? What is the purpose of life on earth?
Tell me about life on other planets. Are any other planets in our solar system inhabited?
He spent the rest of my contact period doing his best to answer these and other questions, geared to the comprehension of a teenage earthling.
I'll do my best to give you these answers in my follow up post. But I will warn you it is, in actuality, Seth-type enlightenment, but from an ET point of view...ron
...ron rambles...my space friend answers my probing questions.
Beginning in early 1962, while a high school teen, I was contacted by an E.T. visitor who told me that he was a "contact" man and it was his job to contact certain individuals on earth whose intense thoughts were "aimed" their way, to enlighten them that the universe is flush with infinite manifestations both physical to our senses and not physical to our senses. That there were "spirit" visitors of non-physical worlds that became physical for the purpose of closely observing earth life. That such people walked the streets of earth unnoticed.
I was raised Catholic since my mother was an Italian-American with Italian born parents being Roman Catholic, but we were not an over-religious family and my father was "just" Protestant coming from a New England Quaker background. I was enrolled, however, in Catholic boys school on Saturdays under the watchful eyes of hyper-strict Nuns. That's where the problems began. I just couldn't buy into the official line of Catholic teaching. Nothing made sense or seemed right. What? The Pope had a "direct" line to God, and he spoke for God in matters of Church doctrine? Really?!
And the priest could amazingly forgive all my sins, well, my misdemeanor sins, in Sunday confessional all for the reciting of prayers in great repetition. I said them by tens and no priest was the wiser. Mortal sins got hell. I don't recall committing any of them.
At any rate, the Nuns taught what I thought w
Hey Ron! when your whiskeys empty,grab me another one too will ya!!
Make that two.
Ron Card , fascinating and hurry up and tell us his answers . I'm assuming they're similar to The Committee and that's what attracted you here to this site . I love Seth too
...I'll continue, and pick up where I left off...At any rate, the Nuns taught what I thought was a very harsh set of rules and laws, there was a God, a devil, a heaven and a hell, with Purgatory in between where one could do some penance and get sprung. Because I couldn't swallow any of it, I wanted to know the REAL answers to life, God, life, death and the like. Other classmates just went along with everything not questioning anything, but when I did, I got my knuckles wrapped hard with a ruler by a mean old Nun, LOL. The Nuns had a pat answer for me, "Those are the mysteries and you are not to know them." Right.
At the time, I began noticing strange objects in the sky, a few at first, and later I began observing many, both day and night. This started a burning desire to find out what it was I was seeing. To no avail, I could not find anyone who could give me any believable answers. Until one morning I came face to face with a "space man."
Question...Do you believe in God?
Answer, What you call God is the energy force from which all existence springs. you Could say that God is ALL THAT IS. To further explain, God is in everything and nothing is separated from the God energy. There is no personified, objectified God, a static "sky" God who resides in a heaven. There's much more.
Is there a Heaven, a hell, a devil?
Heaven or hell is what you make of your life, they are not places somewhere that you go when you die. The devil does not exist, although the strong belief in a devil can create the appearance of a devil only for those who want to believe in a devil. There's much more.
What happens to me when I die?
When you die you are not dead, you merely shed your body and your spirit or soul lives on in different circumstances and in a different dimension. You will reincarnate and come back to earth as a new person. In the death state you will have the opportunity to meet with your past relatives and friends if you wish. There's much more.
What is the purpose of life on earth?
Your purpose is anything you wish to do. There is nothing you can't do if you put your mind to it. Your only limitations are the ones you believe in. You come here to enjoy life and be creative and you come with certain talents you may wish to further develop. There's more.
Tell me about life on other planets.
The entire universe is populated with life in the form of conscious energy, the God Force, which is the glue that holds everything together in a way that you can understand. Universal life is both physical as you and earth are and non-physical, as in no form, rather unclothed consciousness. There are realms of life that have no need to be physical.
All the other planets in our solar system have life of some form, physicical or not physical, but you would not even perceive it due to the vast differences in vibrational frequency rates. Life on a planet or not on a planet, but in an areas of so-called outer space, will have vibes that range above or below your earth vibe rate, therefore you would not be aware of that life, or they you. In outer space, time, as you know it, simply does not exist. Time really exists all at once, everything exists all at once but since you're physical you live under the conditions of a specific rate of time, you cannot understand this. There is more.
He spent the next 10 months greatly expanding the short answers to my earliest questions. In effect, everything I learned, Seth touched upon when I picked up Seth Speaks in 1974 when I met Linda, her copy. My space friend gave Seth-type information but from another point of view and in very simple language geared to the comprehension of a teen.
Great story, Ron. Reminds me of my "nun" experience. We were being told very clearly by Sister Mary of St. Matthias Roman Catholic Church that when we die, we're all floating in the clouds before God and above our heads is a little black book with all the sins listed we've committed in life. (We had just finished the whole confession, confessional and penance process). Young irreverent Patrick listened to this, raised his hand and asked Sister Mary something like "What about a white book also, with our good deeds? If we sin but confess and receive absolution from Our Father, why is it still written in a black book?" I got a look that could melt steel, silence and a few days later my parents got a letter.
The Catholic Church and I have had an interesting, and often distant relationship over the years, suffice to say.
@patrick I think being religious and having the gifts people like you have Patrick mix together as well as oil and water
Patrick, have you heard of Billy Fingers? He talks about the different levels of heaven, how there are many different levels and that we tallk mainly about the first one. Sounds like a big topic, so up to you. Thanks.
Nick, My good friend, Dr. Joseph Mancini, a highly experienced hypnotic-therapist just published a book entitled, The Present Power of Past Lives, where he regresses many people and they reach their inner selves and report on their experiences with past lives, the altered state of consciousness being induced through hypnosis which is one of many ways to get psychic information...ron
One possibly unfortunate aspect of the book could be the perpetuation of the myth that past lives exist and influence the current one; future lives? We never hear those discussed, because they haven't happened yet. (Cough, cough....)
As long as we remain on Earth and go to sleep at night, effectively being unconscious, the past lives idea is fine. As soon as we delve into the soul and our lives away from day/night cycles, the Earth time illusion disappears and along with it, the concept of past lives. We live them all simultaneously, including "the future".
No, I have not heard of or about him and I confess, I am one of the least "spiritually minded" or "spiritually aware" people there is, as far as knowing who and what about this subject.
Thank you for this post. How comforting and insightful. Just wonderful.